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Re: TR: 7/8/2008: First* Ascent of the East Face of Mt. Washington

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:55:45 -0400

those are actually allens photos, on the camera he is borrowing from  
me. He'll have to upload them. and as for day totals i think all was  
exactly 115 and i'm exactly 130, which is more than twice as much as  
my previous best: 65

sam
On Jul 8, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Ben Peters wrote:

> July 7, 2008. Mt. Washington, NH, USA, North America, Planet Earth
> After waiting for weeks for the proper weather window, Sam, Allen,  
> my girlfriend Kate, and I finally saw our chance. With highs  
> reaching into the 80s (at least 5-10 degrees colder with windchill  
> though!) and sunny skies, the ambitious expedition seemed at least  
> nominally feasible. We left Advance Base Camp in Pinkham Notch with  
> a solidly sub-alpine start of 9:30 (thus maximizing daylight by only  
> waiting 5 hours after sunrise). We decided to go light and fast,  
> alpine style, taking only the bare essentials (climbing gear, ski  
> gear, Tuckerman Headwall ela and LT Doublebag). Conditions were  
> tough as we simul-solo'd the steep (but well-graded), crevasse-free  
> trail. The crux of this segment of the climb was when we took a  
> water break but then had to lift our packs back onto our packs again  
> - not a trivial experience when facing 3-5 feet of exposure!
>
> Finally we arrived at sheer, intimidating wall where we were forced  
> to rope up for what we believe is a first ascent up a route we  
> dubbed "Pinnacle Buttress." (Any similarity to several pitch, well- 
> established 5.8 in Huntington Ravine is completely coincidental).  
> Sam and Allen started up first, while I struggled to avoid  
> succumbing to the environmental hazards (sunlight, a light warm  
> breeze, stubbed toes). Finally I started up:
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2245.jpg  >
> (me leading up the first pitch)
>
> Parts of the climb were even steeper!
>
> After what seemed like weeks of climbing we topped out. Near the top  
> of the climb we felt a chill in our veins as visibility quickly  
> dropped to less than 100 miles and the cog railway sounded its  
> mournful wail. Nevertheless we stuck with the plan and headed back  
> down Huntington Ravine to pick up ski gear stashed at the base. With  
> the ongoing exposure above 3000 feet, the dreaded "blackfly-bite"  
> became a real issue on any exposed flesh, despite our best efforts  
> to continually check each other.
>
> The trek from Huntington to Tucks was long and very dangerous.  
> Several times we had brushes with death as our ski tips nicked tree  
> branches or our feet slipped on rocks. Yet on we went, and finally  
> found ourselves at the base of one of the biggest snowfields any of  
> us had ever seen. Trembling with the excitement like giddy school  
> girls, we geared up, hiked up, and began to slay. Words can't  
> describe the ecstasy of feeling crystals of ice crystals thrown up  
> by your edges on a slope such as that, giving you top-sheet shots  
> with every turn. For a few (10-15) turns it was truly white-green- 
> and-rock-colored-view room.
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2246.jpg  > (Sam, Allen, and I hiking the glacier)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2248.jpg  > (Me starting down)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2252.jpg  > (Allen hucking the death-gnar)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2256.jpg  > (more death-gnar)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2258.jpg  > (check out the pow)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2265.jpg  >
>
>
> We were feeling dehydrated after skiing so much vert, so we consumed  
> some refreshing beverages during the long hike out. The descent  
> brought with it its own set of hazards, but we hiked fast and made  
> it back to the car with minimal loss of life or limbs from the  
> expedition.
>
> Finally, for Matt K, I have the following completely necessary  
> pictures to round out the TR:
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/100_4283.jpg  > My Dog on a hiking trip a few years ago
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_6518.jpg  > A stop-sign in Quebec
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_0327.jpg  > The fountain in front of the Bellagio in las vegas
>
> It's been a good season, with  

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Re: TR: 7/8/2008: First* Ascent of the East Face of Mt. Washington

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 21:41:03 -0400

Ya, that picture is from a climbing trip I took to Red Rocks, we went 
and cruised the strip on a rest day, gnikcuf crazy place... gotta love 
the open container laws though!

Matthew Kulas wrote:
> Did you actually take that picture of the Bellagio and its fountains?  Too kewl!
>
> Oh, and not a bad TR, either.  Just the other day I was wondering what
> you were up to and lamenting your lack of presence on the List.
>
> --Matt K.
>
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Ben Peters  wrote:
>   
>> July 7, 2008. Mt. Washington, NH, USA, North America, Planet Earth
>> After waiting for weeks for the proper weather window, Sam, Allen, my
>> girlfriend Kate, and I finally saw our chance. With highs reaching into the
>> 80s (at least 5-10 degrees colder with windchill though!) and sunny skies,
>> the ambitious expedition seemed at least nominally feasible. We left Advance
>> Base Camp in Pinkham Notch with a solidly sub-alpine start of 9:30 (thus
>> maximizing daylight by only waiting 5 hours after sunrise). We decided to go
>> light and fast, alpine style, taking only the bare essentials (climbing
>> gear, ski gear, Tuckerman Headwall ela and LT Doublebag). Conditions were
>> tough as we simul-solo'd the steep (but well-graded), crevasse-free trail.
>> The crux of this segment of the climb was when we took a water break but
>> then had to lift our packs back onto our packs again - not a trivial
>> experience when facing 3-5 feet of exposure!
>>
>> Finally we arrived at sheer, intimidating wall where we were forced to rope
>> up for what we believe is a first ascent up a route we dubbed "Pinnacle
>> Buttress." (Any similarity to several pitch, well-established 5.8 in
>> Huntington Ravine is completely coincidental). Sam and Allen started up
>> first, while I struggled to avoid succumbing to the environmental hazards
>> (sunlight, a light warm breeze, stubbed toes). Finally I started up:
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2245.jpg
>> 
>> (me leading up the first pitch)
>>
>> Parts of the climb were even steeper!
>>
>> After what seemed like weeks of climbing we topped out. Near the top of the
>> climb we felt a chill in our veins as visibility quickly dropped to less
>> than 100 miles and the cog railway sounded its mournful wail. Nevertheless
>> we stuck with the plan and headed back down Huntington Ravine to pick up ski
>> gear stashed at the base. With the ongoing exposure above 3000 feet, the
>> dreaded "blackfly-bite" became a real issue on any exposed flesh, despite
>> our best efforts to continually check each other.
>>
>> The trek from Huntington to Tucks was long and very dangerous. Several times
>> we had brushes with death as our ski tips nicked tree branches or our feet
>> slipped on rocks. Yet on we went, and finally found ourselves at the base of
>> one of the biggest snowfields any of us had ever seen. Trembling with the
>> excitement like giddy school girls, we geared up, hiked up, and began to
>> slay. Words can't describe the ecstasy of feeling crystals of ice crystals
>> thrown up by your edges on a slope such as that, giving you top-sheet shots
>> with every turn. For a few (10-15) turns it was truly
>> white-green-and-rock-colored-view room.
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2246.jpg
>>  (Sam,
>> Allen, and I hiking the glacier)
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2248.jpg
>>  (Me
>> starting down)
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2252.jpg
>>  (Allen
>> hucking the death-gnar)
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2256.jpg
>>  (more
>> death-gnar)
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2258.jpg
>>  (check out
>> the pow)
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2265.jpg
>> 
>>
>>
>> We were feeling dehydrated after skiing so much vert, so we consumed some
>> refreshing beverages during the long hike out. The descent brought with it
>> its own set of hazards, but we hiked fast and made it back to the car with
>> minimal loss of life or limbs from the expedition.
>>
>> Finally, for Matt K, I have the following completely necessary pictures to
>> round out the TR:
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/100_4283.jpg
>>  My Dog on
>> a hiking trip a few years ago
>> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_6518.jpg
>>  A
>> stop-sign in Quebec
>> h 

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Re: TR: 7/8/2008: First* Ascent of the East Face of Mt. Washington

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:55:34 -0400

Did you actually take that picture of the Bellagio and its fountains?  Too kewl!

Oh, and not a bad TR, either.  Just the other day I was wondering what
you were up to and lamenting your lack of presence on the List.

--Matt K.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Ben Peters  wrote:
> July 7, 2008. Mt. Washington, NH, USA, North America, Planet Earth
> After waiting for weeks for the proper weather window, Sam, Allen, my
> girlfriend Kate, and I finally saw our chance. With highs reaching into the
> 80s (at least 5-10 degrees colder with windchill though!) and sunny skies,
> the ambitious expedition seemed at least nominally feasible. We left Advance
> Base Camp in Pinkham Notch with a solidly sub-alpine start of 9:30 (thus
> maximizing daylight by only waiting 5 hours after sunrise). We decided to go
> light and fast, alpine style, taking only the bare essentials (climbing
> gear, ski gear, Tuckerman Headwall ela and LT Doublebag). Conditions were
> tough as we simul-solo'd the steep (but well-graded), crevasse-free trail.
> The crux of this segment of the climb was when we took a water break but
> then had to lift our packs back onto our packs again - not a trivial
> experience when facing 3-5 feet of exposure!
>
> Finally we arrived at sheer, intimidating wall where we were forced to rope
> up for what we believe is a first ascent up a route we dubbed "Pinnacle
> Buttress." (Any similarity to several pitch, well-established 5.8 in
> Huntington Ravine is completely coincidental). Sam and Allen started up
> first, while I struggled to avoid succumbing to the environmental hazards
> (sunlight, a light warm breeze, stubbed toes). Finally I started up:
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2245.jpg
> 
> (me leading up the first pitch)
>
> Parts of the climb were even steeper!
>
> After what seemed like weeks of climbing we topped out. Near the top of the
> climb we felt a chill in our veins as visibility quickly dropped to less
> than 100 miles and the cog railway sounded its mournful wail. Nevertheless
> we stuck with the plan and headed back down Huntington Ravine to pick up ski
> gear stashed at the base. With the ongoing exposure above 3000 feet, the
> dreaded "blackfly-bite" became a real issue on any exposed flesh, despite
> our best efforts to continually check each other.
>
> The trek from Huntington to Tucks was long and very dangerous. Several times
> we had brushes with death as our ski tips nicked tree branches or our feet
> slipped on rocks. Yet on we went, and finally found ourselves at the base of
> one of the biggest snowfields any of us had ever seen. Trembling with the
> excitement like giddy school girls, we geared up, hiked up, and began to
> slay. Words can't describe the ecstasy of feeling crystals of ice crystals
> thrown up by your edges on a slope such as that, giving you top-sheet shots
> with every turn. For a few (10-15) turns it was truly
> white-green-and-rock-colored-view room.
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2246.jpg
>  (Sam,
> Allen, and I hiking the glacier)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2248.jpg
>  (Me
> starting down)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2252.jpg
>  (Allen
> hucking the death-gnar)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2256.jpg
>  (more
> death-gnar)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2258.jpg
>  (check out
> the pow)
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2265.jpg
> 
>
>
> We were feeling dehydrated after skiing so much vert, so we consumed some
> refreshing beverages during the long hike out. The descent brought with it
> its own set of hazards, but we hiked fast and made it back to the car with
> minimal loss of life or limbs from the expedition.
>
> Finally, for Matt K, I have the following completely necessary pictures to
> round out the TR:
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/100_4283.jpg
>  My Dog on
> a hiking trip a few years ago
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_6518.jpg
>  A
> stop-sign in Quebec
> http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_0327.jpg
>  The
> fountain in front of the Bellagio in las vegas
>
> It's been a good season, with ~135 days for Sam, ~115 for Allen and 85 for
> myself (I lost). Sam has som 

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Re: TR: 7/8/2008: First* Ascent of the East Face of Mt. Washington

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:47:25 -0600

Ben P wrote:

>

I don't know about anyone else, but I for one am totally outraged at 
this report and especially the pictures. Ben, you and your cohorts 
should be ashamed of yourselves. In pic after pic, you all appear in 
shirt sleeves, shorts, and not even wearing warm hats, let alone 
helmets. In that kind of hideously dangerous terrain! What were you 
thinking?!!??? Don't you realize what kind of message this sends to 
the impressionable youngsters on the list?

What's more, there's only a single pic of the Bellagio fountain!!!!!!
Man, TEO is gonna have a field day with this!!!

Won't someone think of the children???

-marc 

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TR: 7/8/2008: First* Ascent of the East Face of Mt. Washington

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:33:23 -0400

July 7, 2008. Mt. Washington, NH, USA, North America, Planet Earth
After waiting for weeks for the proper weather window, Sam, Allen, my 
girlfriend Kate, and I finally saw our chance. With highs reaching into 
the 80s (at least 5-10 degrees colder with windchill though!) and sunny 
skies, the ambitious expedition seemed at least nominally feasible. We 
left Advance Base Camp in Pinkham Notch with a solidly sub-alpine start 
of 9:30 (thus maximizing daylight by only waiting 5 hours after 
sunrise). We decided to go light and fast, alpine style, taking only the 
bare essentials (climbing gear, ski gear, Tuckerman Headwall ela and LT 
Doublebag). Conditions were tough as we simul-solo'd the steep (but 
well-graded), crevasse-free trail. The crux of this segment of the climb 
was when we took a water break but then had to lift our packs back onto 
our packs again - not a trivial experience when facing 3-5 feet of exposure!

Finally we arrived at sheer, intimidating wall where we were forced to 
rope up for what we believe is a first ascent up a route we dubbed 
"Pinnacle Buttress." (Any similarity to several pitch, well-established 
5.8 in Huntington Ravine is completely coincidental). Sam and Allen 
started up first, while I struggled to avoid succumbing to the 
environmental hazards (sunlight, a light warm breeze, stubbed toes). 
Finally I started up:
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2245.jpg 

(me leading up the first pitch)

Parts of the climb were even steeper!

After what seemed like weeks of climbing we topped out. Near the top of 
the climb we felt a chill in our veins as visibility quickly dropped to 
less than 100 miles and the cog railway sounded its mournful wail. 
Nevertheless we stuck with the plan and headed back down Huntington 
Ravine to pick up ski gear stashed at the base. With the ongoing 
exposure above 3000 feet, the dreaded "blackfly-bite" became a real 
issue on any exposed flesh, despite our best efforts to continually 
check each other.

The trek from Huntington to Tucks was long and very dangerous. Several 
times we had brushes with death as our ski tips nicked tree branches or 
our feet slipped on rocks. Yet on we went, and finally found ourselves 
at the base of one of the biggest snowfields any of us had ever seen. 
Trembling with the excitement like giddy school girls, we geared up, 
hiked up, and began to slay. Words can't describe the ecstasy of feeling 
crystals of ice crystals thrown up by your edges on a slope such as 
that, giving you top-sheet shots with every turn. For a few (10-15) 
turns it was truly white-green-and-rock-colored-view room.
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2246.jpg 
 (Sam, 
Allen, and I hiking the glacier)
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2248.jpg 
 (Me 
starting down)
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2252.jpg 
 (Allen 
hucking the death-gnar)
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2256.jpg 
 (more 
death-gnar)
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2258.jpg 
 (check 
out the pow)
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_2265.jpg 



We were feeling dehydrated after skiing so much vert, so we consumed 
some refreshing beverages during the long hike out. The descent brought 
with it its own set of hazards, but we hiked fast and made it back to 
the car with minimal loss of life or limbs from the expedition.

Finally, for Matt K, I have the following completely necessary pictures 
to round out the TR:
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/100_4283.jpg 
 My Dog 
on a hiking trip a few years ago
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_6518.jpg 
 A 
stop-sign in Quebec
http://www.metrocast.net/~saragreg/TR/07-07-2008/IMG_0327.jpg 
 The 
fountain in front of the Bellagio in las vegas

It's been a good season, with ~135 days for Sam, ~115 for Allen and 85 
for myself (I lost). Sam has some more pictures that he'll hopefully post...

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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:31:15 -0400

Not a personal attack, Mig.  One statement of fact, followed by a joke.
Being ignorant isn't a character flaw; it's a matter of experience.
Defaming someone out of ignorance is poor form, regardless.

- Patrick
=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vermont Skiing Discussion and Snow Reports=20
> [mailto:SKIVT-L@list.uvm.edu] On Behalf Of Miguel Naughton
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:23 AM
> To: SKIVT-L@LIST.UVM.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] TDF and other doping matters
>=20
> Pat,
>=20
> > Mig, the depth of your ignorance of fitness exceeds even=20
> your lack of
> > understanding of the benefits of modern ski gear.
>=20
> Personal attack, no?  I must admit, this seems totally out of=20
> character
> for you.  But then again, I seem to have hit a hot button=20
> issue for you
> and some others.
>=20
> In any case, this isn't fun, so let's move on to something else.
>=20
> Mig
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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 17:46:06 -0400

Bruno  wrote:

>Mig,
>
>Seems you ended up on the short end of this one. Cheers,

Bah.  Think Plato, The Republic, Book 7.

Mig :-)

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Re: Looking for a ski buddy for next winter for Smuggs

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:08:49 -0600

roger said:
>And watch out for Matt K.  He'll **Freecone** you out of a job.

COOL!
A new skivt-l verb!!!!!

-marc 

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Re: Looking for a ski buddy for next winter for Smuggs

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 16:05:18 -0400

Welcome, Daniel.  I can think of at least 5 of us that hold Smuggs passes,
and several others ski there often.  Give us a shout when the season starts,
and I'm sure you'll have a partner on pretty much any Sunday.

And watch out for Matt K.  He'll Freecone you out of a job.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Scheidt, Daniel <
Daniel.Scheidt@benjerry.com> wrote:

>  All,
>
> I'm a new member of this community and I thought this might be a good spot
> to look for a new ski partner. 92 degree days always get me thinking about
> snow and skiing! After many years, my trusty ski buddy has abandoned me to
> relocate to Utah with his new wife. I'm hoping to find a ski and/or
> rideshare partner for Smuggs this year. I live in Burlington (South End).
> While I occasionally may go up with my 8 year old son, I expect to be going
> up to Smuggs without other family members almost every Sunday. It would
> great to have company for the car ride and/or skiing. I'm an expert fixed
> heel alpine skier, but I have a love for the Smuggs side-country (Notch
> runs) and the woods in general. I'm happy to ski with snowboarders or
> skiers; I don't discriminate. I'm a 36 year old male married with 2 kids.
> Anyone on this site who might be looking a partner?
>
> Daniel Scheidt
> Unilever Ice Cream North America Supply Chain
> 802-846-1543 ext. 7609
> 802-846-1556 (fax)
> daniel.scheidt@benjerry.com
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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 14:02:15 -0600

Jimski wrote:
>How do we know that Mig Naughton isn't on something??  :-)

I'd say given that the bulk of his argument is "I've never seen it so 
obviously it must be the result of doping" and his apparent 
discomfort with people, especially women, who have worked hard at 
being Olympic level physically fit at the ancient age of 40+ both 
argue that he may well be. After all, he couldn't have arrived at his 
stereotypical assumptions naturally. :-)

-marc

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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:14:22 -0700

How do we know that Mig Naughton isn't on something??  :-)   Jimski


--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Miguel Naughton  wrote:

> From: Miguel Naughton 
> Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] TDF and other doping matters
> To: SKIVT-L@LIST.UVM.EDU
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 6:31 PM
> Marc Chrusch1 wrote:
> 
> >That makes as much sense and carries as much
> credibility as saying
> >that since a butterfly is incredibly complex, it
> couldn't possibly
> >have evolved and must be the result of an intelligent
> designer.
> 
> This doesn't make any sense.  We're not talking
> about a new species.  As far
> as I know Dara Torres is human and we know a lot about this
> species.  Then
> again, maybe she is a new species (dopus maximus?).
> 
> Are there any other swimmers as cut as she is?  And yet a
> 40 year old is
> the most cut around?  You know that steroids reduce body
> fat, right?
> BTW, it's not that picture that made suspicious.  I saw
> her on TV and
> immediately concluded that she was fueled by other things. 
> You can't
> tell from that picture, but her shoulders are pretty
> friggin muscular as
> well.
> 
> >Regarding definition and cut in women, have you seen
> any pictures of
> >40-something Lynn Hill?
> 
> Who is Lynn Hill?
> 
> Pictures please.
> 
> How do we know that Lynn Hill doesn't take steroids?
> 
> Mig
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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:11:35 -0700

Also washed up old (37) Olympic swimmer Janet Evans.  And she isn't even in training for anything.  Jimski


--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Marc Chrusch  wrote:

> From: Marc Chrusch 
> Subject: Re: [SKIVT-L] TDF and other doping matters
> To: SKIVT-L@LIST.UVM.EDU
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 5:27 PM
> Mig wrote:
> >I find her physique and accomplishments completely
> unnatural.  Here's
> >a picture:
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/55yc47
> >
> >I just don't believe a 40 year old woman could get
> that "cut" naturally.
> 
> 
> That makes as much sense and carries as much credibility as
> saying 
> that since a butterfly is incredibly complex, it
> couldn't possibly 
> have evolved and must be the result of an intelligent
> designer.
> 
> Regarding definition and cut in women, have you seen any
> pictures of 
> 40-something Lynn Hill?
> 
> -marc



      

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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:54:18 -0700

I hear she has been hanging out and partying with Canseco and his buddies.  Oh yeah, and she rides bikes with Lance Armstrong.  

There, that should be enough to convict her.  

Did you see the film clips of her work out regimen?  She doesn't just "jump in the pool and become world class".  She has maintained a life style of Olympic caliber since her child hood.  What my wife finds more amazing is she is 41 with her first child being 2.  There is no reason why anyone should go to pot just because the Olympics are over.  Jimski

--- On Mon, 7/7/08, Miguel Naughton  wrote:

> From: Miguel Naughton 
> Subject: [SKIVT-L] TDF and other doping matters
> To: SKIVT-L@LIST.UVM.EDU
> Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 11:56 AM
> The TDF has started.
> 
> Has anyone seen the pictures of this 40 year old swimmer
> Dara Torres?  Wow,
> she is really pumped up.  I cannot believe that she has not
> used something.
> Needless to say, I don't care that see has passed X
> number of drug tests.
> This whole notion that a 40 year old can just jump in the
> pool and be
> world class is bizarre.  This is not a sport dominated by
> older athletes.
> 
> I find it very disquieting that NBC is promoting her
> massively as a feel
> good story.
>

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Re: backchannel Re: [SKIVT-L] TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 10:54:47 -0600

Michael T wrote:

>Hope S is over 18 otherwise we're all in deep parc

Well, there is a fairly famous climber named S**** that appeared in a 
revealing but not naked photo spread in Maxim within the last year. 
She's definitely over 18, but also definitely not 40.

Of course we're commenting on an intended backchannel email, so I 
suppose S can be most anyone.

-marc

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Re: backchannel Re: [SKIVT-L] TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:31:15 -0400

Hope S is over 18 otherwise we're all in deep parc

Mike


On Jul 8, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Nathan Bryant wrote:

> Miguel Naughton wrote:
>> Go ahead guys, post a picture of some rock climbing babe who is  
>> cut like
>> that.  Forget about the shoulders, I'm looking for ultra-low body  
>> fat.
>> BTW, it's best if this gal doesn't do rock climbing competitions
>> for money.  Where there's money, there's frequently PED's.
> Sorry, I lost the nude picture of S we discussed. Will get back to  
> you after I track it down. Send me your snail mail address.
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Re: Looking for a ski buddy for next winter for Smuggs

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:04:50 -0400

Welcome, Daniel!  There are a number of Smuggs skiers here, so even if
you don't hear back this summer, be sure to check in as the ski season
approaches.  Also, arm yourself with a radio and tune into channel
3-13.

--Matt K.

On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Scheidt, Daniel
 wrote:
> All,
>
> I'm a new member of this community and I thought this might be a good spot
> to look for a new ski partner. 92 degree days always get me thinking about
> snow and skiing! After many years, my trusty ski buddy has abandoned me to
> relocate to Utah with his new wife. I'm hoping to find a ski and/or
> rideshare partner for Smuggs this year. I live in Burlington (South End).
> While I occasionally may go up with my 8 year old son, I expect to be going
> up to Smuggs without other family members almost every Sunday. It would
> great to have company for the car ride and/or skiing. I'm an expert fixed
> heel alpine skier, but I have a love for the Smuggs side-country (Notch
> runs) and the woods in general. I'm happy to ski with snowboarders or
> skiers; I don't discriminate. I'm a 36 year old male married with 2 kids.
> Anyone on this site who might be looking a partner?
>
> Daniel Scheidt
> Unilever Ice Cream North America Supply Chain
> 802-846-1543 ext. 7609
> 802-846-1556 (fax)
> daniel.scheidt@benjerry.com
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backchannel Re: [SKIVT-L] TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 12:00:04 -0400

Miguel Naughton wrote:
> Go ahead guys, post a picture of some rock climbing babe who is cut like
> that.  Forget about the shoulders, I'm looking for ultra-low body fat.
> BTW, it's best if this gal doesn't do rock climbing competitions
> for money.  Where there's money, there's frequently PED's.
Sorry, I lost the nude picture of S we discussed. Will get back to you 
after I track it down. Send me your snail mail address.

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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:45:53 -0400

Mig,

Seems you ended up on the short end of this one. Cheers,

Bruno

PS not that i was keeping score at home or anything

PPS Pat, the one about the benefits of modern ski gear was lol funny


On 7/8/08, Miguel Naughton  wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
>
> > Mig, the depth of your ignorance of fitness exceeds even your lack of
> > understanding of the benefits of modern ski gear.
>
>
> Personal attack, no?  I must admit, this seems totally out of character
> for you.  But then again, I seem to have hit a hot button issue for you
> and some others.
>
> In any case, this isn't fun, so let's move on to something else.
>
>
> Mig
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Re: TDF and other doping matters

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:22:49 -0400

Pat,

> Mig, the depth of your ignorance of fitness exceeds even your lack of
> understanding of the benefits of modern ski gear.

Personal attack, no?  I must admit, this seems totally out of character
for you.  But then again, I seem to have hit a hot button issue for you
and some others.

In any case, this isn't fun, so let's move on to something else.

Mig

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Re: Looking for a ski buddy for next winter for Smuggs

Tue, 8 Jul 2008 09:05:59 -0600

Tag wrote:
> >After many years, my trusty ski buddy
> >has abandoned me to relocate to Utah with his new wife.
>
>Didn't you mean "wives".

Wow! Hilarious! That's a real knee slapper! Definitely one we've 
never heard before!!!

-marc

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